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The Answer to Fun with debunking the right: the billion dollar fence

by: ericf

Sun Jul 04, 2010 at 23:40:51 PM CDT

So what was wrong with the story of the billion dollar fence? Let me put it this way: we need a word for the sort of deception where conservatives take the cost of something they disapprove of, pick one part of it, and pretend the whole cost is for the one  part. They did it to oppose the bonding bill in the last legislative session by dividing the cost by the projected number of jobs and coming up with a ridiculous cost per job, hoping no one would ask whether construction projects might also have materials costs. They did it to attack the stimulus bill, like when they denounced $200 million for re-sodding the Capitol Mall. They didn't mention "re-sodding" included shoring up foundations of national monuments before they slid into the Potomac.

They did it again here. The most correct answer (I neglected to set the poll to multiple-select instead of single-select, even though three answers were correct) was the billion dollars paid for the whole summit, not just the fence. It is the case that, according to that linked CBC story, most of the cost was security, but even at that, only a part of the security was the fence. Moreover, the cost was controversial, since it was twice the security cost of the Vancouver Olympics, and MPs from the New Democratic Party and Liberal Party objected. Given how much PM Stephen Harper reminds me of Bush, I'd suggest they look for pricey outsourcing to connected contractors.

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Fun with debunking the right: the billion dollar fence

by: ericf

Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 23:54:38 PM CDT

UPDATE: Here's the answer.

Bill recently posted a clip of an interview Michele Bachmann did with Laura Ingraham on Fox News where they talked about the demonstrations at the G20. About 2:20 into the clip, I heard Ingraham say, "A billion dollars it cost Toronto to build that fence. I'm hoping they understand why Israel has its own fence now, because they had to build their fence in Toronto."

Beyond the dismissive attitude toward demonstrators and utter disinterest in knowing why anyone demonstrated --- though ironically, as Bill pointed out, Bachmann used the G20 to foment global government paranoia --- something smelled in a factual error sort of way.

Not that such a smell is a strange thing when a "fact" sounds hard to believe, and I'm hearing it for the first time from Fox, but just what exactly was wrong with Ingraham's statement? And why, with her well known penchant for factual precision, didn't Bachmann correct her?

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Real Canadians Talking Health Care

by: Grace Kelly

Fri Sep 04, 2009 at 09:01:00 AM CDT

So I am looking for information about other country's systems. When I was running children's activities for an organization in two countries, I realized that Canada did not have so many rules as the US because the US was afraid that a child would get hurt and someone would be sued! The health care problems even restricts what children can do! So my experience confirms this video:

In the spirit of truth, my friend Matte Black (@Shoq on Twitter) and his brother took their video camera to Canada on vacation to interview Canadians about their health care system. When we talked about it, I asked him to try to get negative views with specifics for balance. Here is the result. It has been edited for brevity, but the negative views were not removed, because there were none. He could not find one Canadian who thought they should kill the system. These are everyday people. They have no agenda at all other than being patriotic Canadians.(US Health Crisis)
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Laura Brod - What A Twit!

by: TwoPuttTommy

Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 11:19:39 AM CDT

There are times when reasonable people read something, and just know - JUST KNOW - that what they just read just cannot - CANNOT - be correct.  And just this morning, Laura Brod  provided reasonable people another one of those times.

Let's look!

Here's Laura Brod's Tweet, from this morning:

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Mud Soup

by: The Big E

Tue Jun 23, 2009 at 22:00:00 PM CDT

It feels like him swimming uphill through hot soup today.

Dusty Trice has the scoop on bickering amongst the MN Greed Over Principles Republican party.  I sense that a purge is coming.

We've been told lies about pesticides and fertilizers.

Slowest bartender in the world.

Any Republican health care plan can be encapsulated in a two word phrase:  Good luck.

Watch non-Minnesotans rationalize how they can understand and forgive Norm for being a sore loser.

NRSC and DSCC continued raising money.  The DSCC even "raised $282,000 last month in Minnesota-related expenses."

10 myths busted about Canadian health care.

The Philadelphia Inquirer hired war criminal John Yoo to write opinion pieces.  Will they hire Bernie Madoff for investment advice?

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