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Delegate Chase update: TWO virtual ties

by: Joe Bodell

Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 08:16:32 AM CDT


Another great weekend of delegate chasing across the state. We're still waiting on reconciliation of a two-delegate discrepancy in SD52, and we still don't have results from the 11-delegate Otter Tail County convention. However, other than those thirteen delegates, we're now looking at two virtual ties in the pledged delegate chase, which is almost at an end. I'm including the superdelegates here so we have as close to a complete picture as possible.

Candidate Pledged Del. Superdel. Total
Uncommitted 481 ~80 ~560
MAK 177.5 46 223.5
Rybak 176.5 1 177.5
Marty 71 4 75
Thissen 66 4 70
Rukavina 45.5 3 48.5
Bakk 25.5 18 43.5
Entenza 29.5 11 40.5

After completing the numbers from several previously missing county conventions, Margaret Anderson Kelliher held a(n approximated) 7-delegate lead among pledged delegates. However, R.T. Rybak had another really good day in the West Metro, and made up that margin to pull within just one. MAK still holds a commanding lead overall, assuming that all the superdelegates show up in Duluth and vote on the floor of the convention.

State Sen. John Marty also had a very good weekend, pulling even with or just ahead of State Rep. Paul Thissen.

Assuming the remaining fifty delegates yet to be elected split somewhat evenly (even if they don't, they won't have a huge effect on these totals), there are basically four tiers here:

1.) MAK vs. Rybak. The two frontrunners will duke it out for uncommitted delegates and the pleasure of being a first-ballot leader in Duluth. It matters.

2.) Thissen vs. Marty. Being in the second tier isn't a bad place to be -- having a base of strong support means you can dictate the course of events, get supporters on to committees that decide how business will be done at the convention, and make deals with other candidates.

3.) Rukavina + Bakk. Rumors of a deal between the two northern Minnesota candidates have not abated -- combining their support bases would launch that candidate (at this point, it would be Rukavina) right into the second tier and might make for an interesting move on the convention floor.

4.) Entenza. The odd man out -- or is he? There have been numerous reports of strong Entenza supporters getting themselves elected out of uncommitted subcaucuses, a good strategic move when you don't have the support base to create your own subcaucuses. Entenza will likely outperform his pledged total indicated here, but by how much?

I'm having some issues creating a screenshot of the entire Delegate Tracker spreadsheet (it's getting very large), so I'll update the post with that later today. Hopefully by then we'll have those thirteen delegates straightened out too.

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How Can It Speak Well of the DFL Endorsement Process... (0.00 / 0)
...that Uncommitted currently has more declared delegates than the top four candidates combined? After all this time, delegates won't commit, and people voting for them are giving away their direct vote to let a small cadre of people horse-trade at the convention in Duluth?  Or are a lot of those "uncommitted" delegates secretly committed to a candidate, but using duplicity?  

How does either explanation speak favorably of the process?  


It Doesn't (0.00 / 0)
The percentages based on these mumbers:

UNCOMMITTED 560 (45.2%)
Kelliher 223.5 (18.0%)
Rybak 177.5 (14.3%)
Marty 75 (6.1%)
Thissen 70 (5.7%)
Rukavina 48.5 (3.9%)
Bakk 43.5 (3.5%)
Entenza 40.5 (3.3%)

These candidates will raise and spend  $2-3 million chasing this small cadre.


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Depends on your perspective (0.00 / 0)
There are certainly some committed delegates among those "uncommitted" numbers, Dana. Some of them are even supporting the guy you worked for in the race. Some might be seen as duplicitous, others might simply be leaning in a certain direction and make up their minds as they're being elected. Others were simply elected out of issue-based subcaucuses whose memberships may or may not have asked who they were supporting in this race. Others were elected out of congressional-candidate subcaucuses where the same is true, only with a shared commitment to a congressional race. That's how the game is played.

Others, like myself, are looking forward to communicating with the candidates and their surrogates to make an informed decision about who to support in a large field -- who's going to have the strongest campaign infrastructure? Who has the best message for a statewide race? Et cetera.


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I think it speaks really well (0.00 / 0)
If you understand that

1: A major player is skipping the process
2: People in general are pleased with the quality of the Candidates
3: That the ideological spectrum of the candidates is very smooth and the final decisions will be made on emphasis

I really think my candidate is the best one. But I can understand how others can see that others as better. I am actually open to be shown wrong.

I read the state of the race right now as a desire to see some more. And that desire may not be resolved at the convention. There is a real possibility of no endorsement at all.  


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As an aside (0.00 / 0)
Dana I really appreciate your engagement here.

I think your perspective has been very valuable.  


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Joe (0.00 / 0)
Can you just upload the sheet to Google Docs?

Been there, tried that (0.00 / 0)
The full sheet has some weird formula issues that don't translate well to Google Docs' spreadsheet app. I'll get around to posting the screenshot later today.

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Upload it (0.00 / 0)
Joe, you should just upload the excel sheet or whatever to a file sharing site and link it so others can download your numbers and do more than squint at your little image :)

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Modern web browsers... (0.00 / 0)
...should give you the ability to view the image full-size, which allows you to actually see the numbers and subcaucus names.

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Uncommitteds Could Break for Thissen (0.00 / 0)
We know that neNew has a host of delegates who are pledged to vote for Thissen, Rybak, or MAK.  

We can expect that most Rybak and MAK supporters are already declared.  Given their fame, no one is sitting on the fence wondering "just who is this Margaret Kelliher [or RT Rybak] person?"

We can expect that some (perhaps many) uncommitteds are waiting to join the "break out" candidate among Thissen/Marty/Bakk/Rukavina.

With all that said, Thissen is in a good position heading toward the convention.  Obviously he trails both RT and MAK in the current count, but the cards are lining up for Paul to build toward and become the consensus candidate.  The next moves of Marty and Rukavina/Bakk are important -- do they play it conservative and move toward one of the establishment candidates, or do they play it bold and go with the fresh face/new frontier leader for the party?


And, you know, (0.00 / 0)
ignore the expressed desires of the people who showed up on precinct caucus night, when Thissen didn't clear 10%?  I mean, MAK and RT also didn't clean up, but it was pretty clear that they were ahead of the pack.  And have continued to be so through the whole SD convention process.  So why should the delegates decide that all that democracy doesn't mean anything and go with someone that few people supported?

I say again, if someone other than MAK or RT gets the endorsement, I'm urging my candidate to primary.  Heck, I'm disillusioned enough with the process that I hope my candidate primaries no matter what....


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So what if Thissen sent delegates to stack the Renew Campaign? (0.00 / 0)
What if Thissen stacked the Renew Campaign 2 for every 1 of MAK or 1 or Ryback? There could be a ton of interesting dynamics in the supposedly undecided camp.  

What if (0.00 / 0)
well then just looking at the numbers right now Thissen would have about 100 delegates to about 180 for both MAK and RT.

That would give him a solid third place start. But then what?

There just is not enough resistance in the other camps to MAK or RT to make Thissen a viable compromise choice. I could be very wrong, but I just don't see it.  


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Right now... (0.00 / 0)
...we don't have complete numbers for the uncommitted vote, but we're registering 47 Uncommitted Renew.MN delegates. This means that even if Thissen stacked that group up to 50%, and MAK and Rybak (no c, GK), it would put him around 95 committed delegates, against MAK and Rybak's 190 or so.

And again, most (if not all) of those delegates are committed to grouping up and pushing their votes to one of the three. So divvying them up doesn't matter much past the first ballot -- if Thissen stacked the group, he gets them all. If Rybak gets a plurality, he gets them all. Ditto MAK.


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