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Why Michele Bachmann keeps winning, part 75

by: Bill Prendergast

Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 17:38:23 PM CDT


This time we focus on the role of independent voters in the Sixth District, and the important part they play in delivering this MN district into the hands of Congress' number one nut, liar and bigot--again and again.

Dave Mindeman did a nice analysis of the role that independent voters play in the Sixth. Aubrey Immelman, a sometime GOP opponent of Bachmann, did an even better one that discusses all the factors leading up to Bachmann victories.
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Bill Prendergast :: Why Michele Bachmann keeps winning, part 75
But Minnesota's professional media still don't get it; they're still playing catch-up to Mindeman, Immelman, and the Dump Bachmann blog--two Bachmann terms later.

They are catching up, slowly. Some reporters and editors are looking at the election numbers we're sending them and correctly concluding--nearly four years later--that we have a point: the independent voters (NOT the Independence Party leadership) has the "kingmaker" role to play here in the Sixth District. And those voters have been playing that role, and the beneficiary has been Bachmann. Not the Dem in the race, not the independent voters' candidate; that screwball Bachmann is the sole beneficiary of the independent voter activity in these elections.

To you who would truly understand: please note the difference between the Independence Party in the Sixth District (theoretically a "political party" with the ability to deliver votes) and the "independent voters" of the Sixth District. The difference is that the former had very little impact on the outcome of the last race--while the latter had a terrific impact on the last race, and may have the same terrific impact on the next race...

...if the DFL and the IP leadership can't figure out any way to deal with the independent voters  effectively, next time around. Here's why I say that.

Last time around, the IP leadership in the Sixth didn't run an endorsed candidate. They did what I and many other people begged them to do in the first race against Bachmann, and cross-endorsed a DFL candidate, Elwyn Tinklenberg. Why did they do that, even though they despise DFL'rs? Because--as was pointed out to them two elections ago--once Bachmann "get in" in a Republican gerrymandered district, there is not much hope of getting her out. In 2006, the IP leadership suddenly accepted the fact: we will never beat Bachmann once she's in, but practically anyone can show strong against a Democrat elected to Congress in this district.

So, they decided to do what should have done in the first place, and throw support to the Dem in the race against Bachmann (because if Bachmann wins again, the IP's marginalized again and for the foreseeable future. But if the Dem wins, the IP can re-strengthen its ranks and run strong against the Dem in some future election.)

So the IP leadership figured that out, and endorsed DFL'r Elwyn Tinklenberg last time. Theory: Tinklenberg's Dem voters, plus some per centage of the IP voters, equals a narrow victory over the screwball Bachmann (whose performance as congressperson for the district is rated "sucks", by more than half the voters in the district, in the last two elections.)

That was the theory. But enter the spoiler: maverick candidate Bob Anderson. A dental technician from Woodbury, ostensibly a member of of the IP, with no experience in leadership, no support within the IP, no money, no powers of persuasion, no reliable campaign organization. He shows up at the IP endorsement event, and is soundly rejected by the IP leadership after announcing that one his priorities is to get God back into the public schools, etc.

So that rejection ends Bob Anderson's attempts to be an IP candidate--right? Wrong. Because it turned the IP leadership was not really a leadership; they "led" little or nothing. It couldn't stop an Anderson "Independent" candidacy. Anderson ran as the "Independent" third party candidate anyway, unendorsed, and took ten per cent of all the votes cast: the independent votes in the district went to this nobody who had been specifically rejected by the IP. (The IP endorsement of Tinklenberg may have resulted in a few extra votes for Tink, but the IP leadership couldn't deliver anything significant for him.)

To put Anderson's vote total in perspective: Anderson, the dental technician from Woodbury who never led anything and was rejected by the IP--did better than previous candidates that actually been endorsed by the IP. (Bitter, bitter laughter here.) Anderson, with no money and no party support and very little public campaigning--did better than previous IP candidates who had the IP endorsement, had the party's backing, campaigned vigorously and articulately.

Anderson tied up 10% of the vote, the IP wasn't able to deliver the three or four per cent of the independent vote that Tink needed to beat the screwball Bachmann--and Bachmann won. And the IP in the Sixth District, revealed as ineffectual, imploded.

That's the background to the last two Bachmann elections. You need to know that, to understand how thick the professional media are being about the next Bachmann run.

Professional reporters are actually going around asking candidates "what they are going to do about Bob Anderson." This indicates that the people who cover politics in the Sixth--still don't get it.

There is no magic about "Bob Anderson." He is not some "political genius" who was able to use his mighty brain to figure out how (without money or political support) to turn the IP's previous seven per cent voter total into a higher ten per cent voter total.

Bob's just a dental technician from Woodbury. He's not a genius, he's no Jack Kennedy. When a reporter asks Bob Anderson whether or not Bob is going to abide by the IP endorsement next time--the answer may be interesting, but the question indicates that the reporter doesn't understand what's going on.

"What's going on" is that almost any person who runs unendorsed, as an "independent" candidate in the Sixth district--is bound to get some percentage of that 10% independent votes available in the district--thus helping the screwball to get re-elected.

So it doesn't matter if Bob Anderson pledges to abide by the IP endorsement or not--because even if he does, that's not a guarantee that the Dem can "count on" the support of the independent voters. They don't do what the IP tells them to do, they don't do what Bob Anderson tells them to do, they don't even constitute a political party or movement. They're potentially available to anyone who asks for their support--and claims to be sick of both Republicans and Dems.

The problem for the Dem in the next race, will be to cut into that ten per cent of independents and persuade some significant percentage of them to vote for her. The Dem's problem be compounded if anyone runs an unendorsed third party candidacy targeting such voters.

If Bob Anderson decides to run again, that's newsworthy and he may be the Dem/IP spoiler again. But even if Anderson decides not to run--*that doesn't end the Dem/IP spoiler problem.* The reporters' questions should go to the potential Dem candidates, not Anderson. The question is not "how are you going to stop Anderson," but "how are you going to stop any third party candidacy from torpedoing your campaign at the very outset?"

The IP has no chance of beating Bachmann in this district next time. So the Dem has to have a strategy in place, ready to salvo, as soon as this thing rears its ugly head again.

And now you know ... how independent voters...(less than ten per cent of the electorate here)...and people with no more credibility than a dental technician from Woodbury...can kick the Dem candidates ass all over the Sixth District...despite the Dem's millions in grassroots/netroots fundraising...and propel the biggest, most hateful screwball in Congress...right back into Congress...next year...too.

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So what to do about the IP? (0.00 / 0)
Though the IP seems in its positions and candidates to be much closer to the DFL than the Republicans, my impression is its membership is people who dislike major parties. That means a merger is awfully unlikely, especially given that it would be a merger of unequals. If a merger happened, I could see many IPers breaking off to start yet another party.

To get the IP to not run a strong candidate against DFL candidates for governor or Congress, I would support a deal to let them pick a commissioner or two if we win the governorship. That sort of coalition politics is normal in almost all democracies. Realizing they can't stop someone running in the primary, I would put a benchmark on the deal: whoever gets the IP line on the ballot can't take more than 2%, or the deal is off.

Long term, we should consider fusion voting. This is the system in New York. Candidates can run on more than one party's line on the ballot, and combine those votes. So Hillary Clinton ran for the Democrats and the Working Families Party (correct name?) and combined votes. This lets voters avoid wasting votes while sending a message according to the party they chose. In this system, Tinklenberg would have had the IP line on the ballot last year.


Don't know what to do about the IP (0.00 / 0)
They're not even the main problem, since they didn't seem to have much pull when it came to their own voters in the last election. There are some of them that do understand (now) that they will never get an IP candidate in there so long as Bachmann wants the seat.

The problem is the independent voters who put their mark next to anything that doesn't have an R- or a DFL- next to it. No matter what it's for, no matter what it looks like, no matter that doing that ensures that the screwball will continue to non-represent them and their families and economy in Congress.

Me, I don't have a solution--that's for Dem strategists to figure out, and I wish them luck with this one. The money will be there, I'm pretty sure about that.

The fusion idea is interesting, though I don't see how they can actually make it happen. And I think it would p*** off the independent voters to get a choice on the ballot that says: you can either choose "the GOP candidate" 0R "the Dem candidate AND the IP candidate." Too Boolean.


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I think a lot of the voters who call themselves (0.00 / 0)
'independent' are as cognitively rigid as any extremist, and as impossible to reach. Their simple mantra regarding politicians, 'They're ALL a bunch of crooks,' is a very convenient way to eschew any sense of responsibility for the condition of our political system, or society in general.

I'm not suggesting plenty of self-identified independents aren't 'reachable.'  But I wonder if a really focused GOTV effort on Dems., especially younger ones, might be more effective in sending the crazy woman packing.  Do we have any idea what % of Dems. in the district actually voted, the last couple of elections?  


Dan writes: (0.00 / 0)
"Their simple mantra regarding politicians, 'They're ALL a bunch of crooks,' is a very convenient way to eschew any sense of responsibility for the condition of our political system, or society in general."

That's true. It's worth pointing out that that kind of thinking was true, not just of independent voters, but of most Americans in 2000.

It was not fashionable to think "they're all crooks," but it was fashionable to think "they're all pretty much the same." The only constituencies that didn't believe that--the talk radio GOP and Christian conservatives--took the country, with the help of the Supreme Court.

But I don't think the independent voters condemn the district out of lack of interest. I think a lot of them can stand Bachmann and her politics, even if they don't want a vote for her on their conscience.


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Bob Anderson Helped Tinklenberg - Not Bachmann (0.00 / 0)
We've got a post on Dump Bachmann that proves this from an eye witness to the recount.  I'd be interested in hearing what others who observed the recount have to say:

"Could this be the year where a Ross Perot actually hurts the conservative candidate instead of the liberal?"

Yes.

Anderson helped Tinklenberg . . . more votes were siphoned from Bachmann to Anderson than from Tinklenberg.

A conservative and vocal IP candidate (socially conservative, libertarian leaning) would be a positive for the DFL candidate in the 2010 race.

How do I know that Anderson took more votes from Bachmann than Tinklenberg?

Let's just say that the Franken/Coleman recount was illuminating in more ways than one. It allowed the Dem ballot recount observers to see exactly how the votes were split. The Dems sent in a lot of VERY bright observers -- many with near photographic or photographic memories (such as myself), and ability to count just more than the Franken votes as they scanned each ballot. Hey, the majority of people with IQs above 160 are Democrats (they don't suck down the Republican lies), and that becomes a huge advantage when it comes to things like observing a recount.

Anderson took many more votes from Bachmann than he took from Tinklenberg. There were a HEAP of ballots that voted McCain/Palin and Anderson . . . they split because they couldn't hold their noses and vote for Bachmann after her Hardball gaffe. That's why he got 10% without spending any money or running a real campaign.

Clark needs to use EVERY embarrassing Bachmann "macaca" moment (and there are literally dozens of them), put them into TV ads and youtube (most are already there) and run them over and over and over. Tinklenberg didn't do that; he didn't run an aggressive campaign, and it cost him. A conservative (Christian fundamentalist, please) independent candidate would be GREAT!

Theme of the Clark campaign: "Let's put an honest, sane person into the seat -- one who works for the people of CD 6".

People who don't think before they speak are amusing to watch, but they shouldn't be our political leadership.
Anna

http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.c...

Taxpaying Liberal has been saying for a while that he thought Bob Anderson was taking away more Bachmann votes that Tinklenberg votes.  Anna's report confirms this.


different independents (0.00 / 0)
I'd like to suggest that there is more than one sort of independent. An earlier comment mentioned the independents who really are quite ideological and a safe vote for one party, but refuse to identify with it. The IP base is a different sort, and my impression is it's really quite small, and IP candidates suck up almost all the protest votes.

There is a third sort, the ones who really don't have an ideological or party inclination. These seem to be the voters inclined to say they vote for the candidate rather than the party, and I did notice when I had a job doing length surveys that some voters don't make any connections between candidates and issues. There are a portion of voters who pay no attention to politics outside campaign season, which seems permanent to those of us more engaged, but these are the people for whom campaign season starts after Labor Day at the earliest, maybe not until October. These are the same people at whom campaign TV ads are aimed. For this group, who really don't respond to doorknocks, phone banks, mailings, news, or blogs, we need to try to get our candidates enough money for TV.



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