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Tinklenberg's blog star campaign manager

by: The Big E

Mon Jul 27, 2009 at 07:00:00 AM CDT


Elwyn Tinklenberg came frustratingly close to beating Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) in 2008.  Bachmann nearly contributed to her own demise by attacking liberal members of Congress as anti-American on MSNBC's Chris Matthews Show.  The video went viral and Tinklenberg raised several million dollars in a couple of days.  Unfortunately, it seemed he didn't make the best use of it.  Some of it may have been Bachmann's meltdown was mere days before the election and some of it may have been his campaign.

Tinklenberg is running again and this worries many.  While he seems like a perfect fit for the district, something seemed to be missing in his last campaign.  Instead of repeating the same mistakes he and Patty Wetterling both made and hoping for the best, he's hired a campaign manager with an outstanding reputation.  Dana Houle is originally from Michigan and some of you may know him as DHinMI from Daily Kos.  Dana has been a frontpager for several years now.  What this means is 8 to10 million people see his posts every day.

He's also got some serious campaign chops, too.  In 2006 he ran Paul Hodes' House race in New Hampshire.  Hodes had lost by 20% in '04, but beat the same incumbent in '06 with 53% of the vote.  In 2008 he ran Jim Himes campaign in Connecticut and defeated another Republican incumbent.

I talked to Dana yesterday about Tinklenberg, Bachmann, the district and his campaign philosophy.

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Dana was suggested to Tinklenberg by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC).  Before anyone begins to freak out about DCCC meddling in MN politics, we should also all consider his hiring is great news for anyone interested in defeating Bachmann.  The DCCC has ranked this race as one of Democrats top chances for picking off an incumbent Republican.

Dana believes that you have to adapt to whatever works best in each state.  Anyone worried about a brain-dead DCCC automaton running the campaign by some generic playbook that seems destined to fail, has nothing to fear with Dana running things.  

For example, the local politicos in New Hampshire all suggested that the best way to meet voters was at the dump.  This seemed illogical, but considering how badly Hodes had lost in the last race, he was willing to try any method to get him in front of voters.  This district in NH is very rural and difficult to door knock.  But everyone goes to the dump periodically.  So every Saturday the candidate or at least a bunch of volunteers were talking to everyone waiting in their cars to get into the local dumps.

This is important with the MN-06 district.  Many Democrats don't necessarily vote the party ticket.  MN has a history of vote splitting.  But this is a problem for any Republican, too.  With Bachmann's documented pattern of making insane statements, many Republicans may consider her an embarrassment.  Where she is cartoonish and divisive, Dana plans on playing up what a nice, decent guy Tinklenberg is and how he has a record of bringing people together.

While many states have significant drop-offs in turnout for off-year elections, MN doesn't.  Unlike other states where the "get out the vote" (GOTV) effort makes all the difference, MN doesn't have the huge drop-off.  It seems to me that without Obama and Franken campaigns sucking all of the oxygen out of the state, Tinklenberg will get as much attention as the governor race.  Furthermore, Tinklenberg is a well known candidate in his district.

"El doesn't have to prove that he's electable this time," Dana said.  Tinklenberg didn't lose by all that much after all.  With Dana running a efficient, smart and grassroots campaign, he claims Tinklenberg can make up the difference.  "We can build on the good things that he has already done."

Furthermore, the state's media had always given Bachmann a free pass on her inflammatory statements.  But the blogs pushed her meltdown on Chris Matthews Show and the nation's media has been paying attention every since.  

"She'll provide plenty of fodder," Dana told me.  Bachmann can't seem to get enough of the media spotlight good or bad.  With blogs paying very close attention and the national media following suit, Tinklenberg can play up how sane, reasonable and genuine he is.

"We know how to take out Republicans in strong Republican districts who say inflammatory things," he continued.  He explained how Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO) was well known for her unapologetic, hardcore right wing opinions and not afraid to tell everyone.  But her rants and statements became the focus of the campaign and Democrat Betsy Markey beat her 57%-44% in 2008.

I asked Dana about the Bob Anderson Factor.  Bob Anderson ran in the Independence Party primary unopposed and won.  Despite not campaigning, he claimed 10% of the votes last November.  

"There's always going to be a percentage who always vote third party, but I think that El was not well-known enough," he answered.  "Plus he didn't have enough money.  Then suddenly in 24 hours he had plenty of money but wasn't prepared to make the best use of it."

Plus, Dana is experienced putting together a solid communication strategy and expects to have plenty of really good people applying for campaign positions.  After all, this will be the state's highest profile race after the governor's race.  I expect a consistent message and I expect Tinklenberg will hit back when attacked this time -- something he didn't do last time.

Dana hasn't delved into the districts numbers from 2006 and 2008, but is certain he'll figure out the best mix of methods to employ in each area of the district to get the word out about his candidate.  

Next I brought up the rumors I'd heard about Tinklenberg's poor fundraising.

Dana replied that it's hard to raise money when nobody gives you a chance of winning.  As a former fundraiser, I can see his point.  Success breeds more success but if you feel like your slogging uphill carrying an anvil, I know from experience how hard it is not to just bail and try again another day.  However, this time around, Dana is certain that most people see Tinklenberg's chances as good.

Finally, Dana comes from the blogosphere.

"I should have instant credibility in that aspect," he said.  And well he should.  He's one of us ... except of course millions read him.  He understands the new political age as he's on the forefront of it.  

He knows that the blogs raised the vast majority of the million plus Tinklenberg received in the last few days of the campaign.  He knows that the blogs will pump up Tinklenberg and he knows the can shine the spotlight of ridicule on Bachmann whenever she opens her mouth and let's her hate, ignorance and cluelessnes spew out.

In summary, Tinklenberg has a blog star running his campaign at a time when most campaigns only have a finance director running the fundraising.  On paper, Tinklenberg is the perfect candidate for his district.  He's a former minister, was mayor of Blaine, ran MNDOT and comes across as a decent, genuine guy.  Dana will play up Tinklenberg's natural tendencies and hit Bachmann hard on the issues.  Bachmann has been bad for her district and if Tinklenberg has a consistent, clear message (which I fully expect with Dana running things), I expect him to do very well.

The wild card we cannot anticipate is Bachmann's next insane, bigoted or absurd statement.  But with the nation's media focused on anything she says, I'm quite confident that it will get major press and that Dana will take advantage of it.

UPDATE

I cross-posted at Daily Kos.  There were some great comments over there, too.

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Some advice (0.00 / 0)
I was also impressed at El's choice and excited at the prospects of what that could mean.

That being said I now think they have made a number of critical mistakes. The biggest being the announcement that El wound not abide by the endorsement.

Since June, neither El nor Reed has made any type of public media statements. One could assume that's because both were busy raising money which turned out to be true in Reed's case.  The few Statements that have come out of the Tinklenberg camp have been Dana trashing Reed on Kos and a couple of fund raising e-mails.

Then Eric Black writes that Clark will run. Dana announces that El will not abide by the endorsement and blames that decision on Reed.

To sum it up El spent the 1st two months being out raised by a virtual unknown candidate by almost five to one and then manages to p-off the DFL activist by saying that he wouldn't abide.  This is the 6th district and many if not most of the delegates are repeats. Many of the same delegates that endorsed El last time will be at the convention this time, why tell them their efforts don't matter?

Dana is now trying to re-write the Tinklenberg story by claiming he is no longer a "blue dog". Who is going to believe that?

I have a few suggestions for Dana.

1 This is El's 3rd run at this office. It's a good idea to improve on his message and show he is going to be more aggressive against Bachmann, But you can't re-write the story.

2 Abide by the endorsement. Reed has announced that she will be seeking cross endorsement and she will get it, at least from the IP. If you let her off the hook and spend the next several months accusing her of not being a true democrat she may believe you and decide to take her big bag of money and run IP. The last thing we need is a well funded "blue dog" IP candidate on the ticket in November.  Also splitting money 3 ways between May and September just weakens everyone and makes Bachmann stronger.


Thanks for the Comment (0.00 / 0)
A few responses.

First, El's made it clear that he was running again, but some apparently weren't aware, so we've rectified that this morning with an email sent to our list, which will be posted to our site shortly.

Second, El in fact HAS honored the endorsement.  He did in 2006, and the result was that Michele Bachmann was elected.  Then, in 2008 he wasn't given any chance to win until the end, and he only lost by less than three points.  He's only run against Bachmann once--remember, he honored the endorsement in 2006, when Bachmann went on to win an open seat in a very good Democratic year--and he intends to follow the lead of 8 Democrats who in the past two cycles have won on their second time on the general election ballot.  

As for the IP endorsement, frankly it's meaningless.  You may have missed it last time around, but El Tinklenberg garnered the IP endorsement in 2008.  It didn't matter, because you can't be on two lines on the ballot (as Jim Himes was in CT), so Bob Anderson ran and got 10%.  And as Eric Black reported the other day, Anderson said he's running again.  

As for El not being a Blue Dog, he's said that, and will say it again. We're confident that people who know El know he's a man of his word.  Not everyone will chose to believe him, but we're confident that most will.  


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Correction (0.00 / 0)
I shouldn't say the IP endorsement is meaningless, but it's certainly not binding, and not something the average voter knows about if someone else decides to run in the primary and gets their name on the general election ballot, as happened before and as we expect will happen again.  

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Looking forward to hearing more from you, DH (0.00 / 0)
Glad to see a campaign manager who knows how to engage the progressive netroots and can drag their colleagues along with them into the 21st century.

Just a clarifying question about the Blue Dog issue (and I believe it is an issue, given their role in screwing up the health care reform bill right now)....the Blue Dogs endorsed Mr. Tinklenberg in 2008. Are we saying that they were supporting someone who didn't consider himself to match their ideals very closely?

Looking forward to a great race, and hope to meet in person soon!


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El's in Favor of the Public Option (0.00 / 0)
So, regardless of what the Blue Dogs do--and they're definitely split, as some of the opponents of the public option come from their ranks, but many of them are supporting the public option--he's in favor of it.  

And yes, I'm looking forward to meeting folks here in MN.  Maybe we can schedule some evening in the Twin Cities for folks to get together for a drink so I can get to know people.  


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I disagree with Blue Dog ideas, but support the candidates (0.00 / 0)
I subscribe to the idea that we need a big tent to differentiate from the Republicans and their party line votes. Disagreements are healthy for the party. If El is Blue Doggish, that is great by me, especially in that district! Better a Blue Dog in the room than a Republican who won't even enter a conversation. As a fiscal progressive, I don't have a problem if a Democrat from the 6th is a Blue Dog.  

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I don't disagree entirely (0.00 / 0)
I would take a conservative Democrat in the 6th over Bachmann. I was merely curious about the potential relationship between Mr. Tinklenberg and the Blue Dogs, given their past endorsement.

Big tent = good, Representatives matching their districts also = good. That being said, it's good to hear DH confirming that El is for the Public Option -- it's important that we affirm the mainstream nature of progressive policies and make sure that core priorities are shared by everyone who wears a (D) after their name -- especially on working-class and health care issues.


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Agreed! (0.00 / 0)
Working for the working class is what makes us D's after all:)

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Important Point (0.00 / 0)
The public option is mainstream.  It's opposing it that's out of the mainstream, not just of the Democratic party nationally or the DFL, but also of the population overall, as support for it has repeatedly polled very high.

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Does conventional wisdom work in this case? (0.00 / 0)
CW says that we like "Minnesota Nice" candidates. I don't think that works in the 6th. El personifies the nice guy, and it is not working. He has all the demographics the district could love. Religious, policy experience, fiscally blue doggish. He seems like he lacks passion and killer instinct. Is Bachmann Minnesota Nice? Hell, she is not even any state nice. El seems to have missed his chance to pound Bachmann into submission last time.

The bigger concern, if Reed gets the IP endorsement and not the Dem endorsement, does that make this race impossible fr Bachmann to lose?


Conventional Wisdom (0.00 / 0)
I agree that following conventional wisdom can be a recipe for failure.  In fact, I'm not one to follow it.  

For instance, there seems to be some who are positing a conventional wisdom that a candidate has only one chance to win, and if they don't win on their first time on the ballot, they shouldn't be allowed to earn a second chance.  As I mentioned above, there are eight freshmen and sophomore Democrats in Congress who didn't accept that conventional wisdom.  El will be speaking with all eight of those members of Congress and learning from them what made their second runs successful, and applying those lessons to his race.  

As for the IP endorsement, like I said above, El got the IP endorsement last time.  The endorsement doesn't mean much if someone gets in to the race, as Bob Anderson did last time and has he's told Eric Black he intends to do again in 2010.  We believe that his vote was as high as it was in part because El didn't define himself to the voters--due to lack of resources until late in the campaign--so the only thing they knew about him was what Bachmann's campaign said about him.  We believe those voters are lost to Bachmann, but many of them can be won by El, and we intend to get them, regardless of who's on the IP line...and we know someone will be.  


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Great to have someone so vocal Dana! (0.00 / 0)
My fear is that Anderson got his IP votes from the "anything but" folks. With someone like Reed, who can get votes on her own merits, does it change the equation? In other words, as an IP endorsed candidate, would she get the "anything but Dem/Rep" voters plus ones she earned on her own?

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I Suspect That Most People... (0.00 / 0)
...who voted that line didn't have any idea who they were voting for.  Bob Anderson is much more conservative than the IP positions; for instance, his support for prayer in school.  Most voters also probably didn't know that El was the endorsed candidate.  But because the endorsement isn't ultimately binding on whose name appears on the ballot, the value of dual endorsement isn't as great as it is in places with fusion, like Connecticut, where Jim Himes, Joe Courtney, Chris Murphy, etc, are all on both the Dem party line on the ballot as well as the Working Families party line.  

We share your belief that a lot of Anderson's votes were anti-Bachmann, and a result of the voters knowing too little about El.  But just as happened with El, even if Reed were endorsed by both parties, there's nothing to stop someone from filling that line on the ballot, and Anderson said he's running again.  So if part of the rationale for Reed's candidacy is that she can get the dual endorsement, my response is "been there, done that," and it didn't make much of a difference.  


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A three-way race will make it even more difficult for a Dem to win. (0.00 / 0)
In response to the question, "if Reed gets the IP endorsement and not the Dem endorsement, does that make this race impossible for Bachmann to lose?"

The short answer is Yes -- if after receiving the IP endorsement Reed files an Affidavit of Candidacy as an IP candidate with the Office of the MN Secretary of State in July, which would put her on the Sept. 14, 2010 state primary ballot (either as an unopposed candidate or possibly as Bob Anderson's better-funded opponent).

My outlook for Minnesota's 6th Congressional District race is posted at http://www.immelman.us/news/ca...

Here are a couple of excerpts relevant to the question:

The strongest performance by a Democrat in a three-way race against Bachmann is Tinklenberg's 43.3 percent against Bachmann in 2008. ...

For historical perspective on the strength of the IP in 6th District congressional races, Dan Becker won 7.5 percent of the vote in 2002; John Binkowski gained 7.8 percent in 2006; and in 2008 Bob Anderson got 10% of the vote. ...

The performance of third-party candidates in the 6th appears to be trending upward. Realistically, it's difficult to see any plausible scenario in which a Democrat beats Bachmann with a third-party name on the ballot. ...

For a Democrat to win in the 6th, that candidate has to retain the support of nearly 90 percent of Democratic voters, win more than 50 percent of the independent vote, and take around 15 percent of the Republican vote. ...

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About the IP. (0.00 / 0)

Having a Bob Anderson or a candidate like him as the IP candidate is what we want. Bachmann underperformed McCain by 7 % while El out performed Obama by 3 or 4 points. (I may be off, feel free to correct).

In my opinion the Anderson people came more from the right side than the left. I was at a number of IP events last election in this district and I didn't meet a single Obama supporter or democrat for that matter.

But having a Reed as the IP candidate should she lose the DFL endorsement and not engage in the DFL primary to pursue only the IP ticket and win the IP Primary would have a very bad effect. Bob Anderson only had $300. Reed already has $230,000.

What El did in 2006 showed a lot of class? He also showed a lot of class in the endorsement race in 2008 and I say that being one of the people working for his opponent.

The reason I suggest that all the Democratic candidates agree to abide by the endorsement is because of the danger of having a very well funded self described "blue dog" on the IP ticket instead of a nut case like Anderson with $300 in his pocket.

Having the "main stream" DFL candidates all agreeing to abide is one way to ensure this happens.

We can have a great endorsement discussion between three really good candidates but it's meaningless without a commitment to abide by all the candidates.


We've Assumed Reed Was Running for the Primary (0.00 / 0)
She hasn't declared that she would abide by the endorsement, and we find it hard to believe that DFL'er would reward her run against the DFL in a GENERAL election by endorsing her for this seat.  We assume she knows she's highly unlikely to be endorsed, so our assumption has been that we'd have a primary if El is endorsed at the convention.  If the race becomes a three-way contest, then maybe Reed's calculations change.  

I think it would be a great question for someone to ask Maureen Reed, whether she is committed to not seeking the IP line on the ballot if her chances at getting the DFL line turn out to be remote.  


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Both candidates underperformed, but Bachmann more so. (0.00 / 0)

Bachmann underperformed McCain by 7.9 points, 46.4% to 54.3%.

Tinklenberg marginally underperformed Obama by 1.2 points, 43.4% to 44.6%.  

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Fusion voting (0.00 / 0)
This cross-party endorsement might be the best argument for fusion voting, which New York uses. It might also be an alternative to RCV, for those who dislike that. Fusion is when multiple parties can endorse the same candidate, and thereby give that candidate multiple lines on the ballot which get added together. If I remember correctly, Hillary Clinton was endorsed not just by the Democrats, but also by the Working Families Party, so her vote total was both parties added together. Presumably Tinklenberg could have run in the IP primary, won it, and been the IP candidate on the ballot. People who wanted to vote for him but disliked the DFL could still have voted for him, and sent a message by the choice of party.

you know what they say about assumptions… (0.00 / 0)
Dana,
It's curious about the timing of announcing that you may not abide by the endorsement. Although El and Reed have been in this race alone until now you chose to make the statement the day after Eric Black reported that Sen. Clark was in the race.

Reed has yet to take any kind of stance on any issue that I know of. If you know different please provide the source.  The question to you and El is; will you abide by the endorsement? Will you only not honor the endorsement if Reed wins? Would you not honor the endorsement if Clark wins and Reed abides?

I assure you that Reed will be asked the question you just asked. It will be the first question she will be asked at every DFL event because both you and I and everyone else will ask it.

If I make assumptions like you are currently doing, I could assume that you would not abide even if Reed did agree to abide. Because the only campaign that has made a definitive (or any type) of statement about abiding by the endorsement is you. Reed has not uttered a word about it.

I can also make an assumption that a candidate who out raised another candidate by about 5 to 1 last quarter may not feel that she has no chance at winning the endorsement.
Of course you know what they say about assumptions...


Reed Was Asked And Didn't Answer (0.00 / 0)
That's an answer in itself.  She told Eric Black something like "plan A is to get the endorsement.  Plan b is to make plan A work" or something like that.  In other words, when she could have said "yes, I will abide by the endorsement," she didn't.  

It's not that hard to figure this stuff out.  I'm new to Minnesota, but I figured it out quickly, and a day after Eric Black asked me the question, we gave him the answer.  That's the reason for the timing of the statement, he asked and we responded.  Rather than play coy, and not acknowledge that Reed is refusing to answer, we figured we'd just get it all out there in the open.  

If Maureen Reed felt so strongly about the sanctity of the endorsement, I'm sure she'd already have taken a whack at Elwyn.  Obviously that would win her some good feelings from DFLers who feel strongly about the endorsement.  That she hasn't should tell you something.  


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Dana (0.00 / 0)
I looked at Reeds answer as being that she was seeking the endorsement and had no other plans beyond that. "There is no plan b"

So the answers to my questions are: No you won't abide by the endorsement under any circumstances if you don't win the endorsement.

And you are correct that she has not made any negative statements about Elwyn.

I'll tell you who feels strongly about the endorsement since you're not from Minnesota,

It's the people who leave their home on a Tues night in the middle of winter to attend a caucus for 3 hours, Then the spend a full day on one of the first spring Saturdays to attend a convention, Then they spend another full Saturday at the district convention, Then they spend a lot of time on weekends and evenings working for the candidate they endorsed. After the election they still meet once a month or more until the cycle starts again. Most of them pay for the privilege.

I guess those are the DFLers who feel strongly about the endorsement.  


C'mon Now (0.00 / 0)
You made me look up the quote, and my memory is more accurate that what you've claimed is a direct quote:

"Plan A is to get the endorsement. Plan B is to make Plan A work."

http://www.minnpost.com/ericbl...

Please feel free to contact me if you find a statement from her where she says she'll abide by the endorsement.  But note that when asked we have given a clear answer.  To date, she has not.  


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Endorsement (0.00 / 0)
What was claimed about your memory?

All that taxpayingliberal was saying, was that there are people, the people you can count on to knock on doors and make phone calls, that care about the endorsement.

He made that statement regardless of what any other candidate or candidate's staff/volunteers have said about their candidate's support of the endorsement.


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Why would a progressive (0.00 / 0)
Why would a progressive want to support El? Will he support both a robust public option and single payer health care? Will he support corporations or people?

Why would a Democrat want to support El? Especially if he blows off the endorsement? Even if the other candidate has money, doesn't he trust people who have endorsed him before? If you run on the "not a Democrat" platform, then many would be angry.

Why would an the area come in to work for El? Basically, even with money what can he do that he didn't before. Basically he was moderately mushy and no one got excited. What are you going to base your appeal on?

Will the El campaign cooperate and form partnerships with other campaigns?

There are some strong non-traditional churches in this area. How are you going to handle those?

Why should we trust an outsider? And if you think that is not a good question, then why should anyone from the 6th trust an outsider?

In the past, the DCCC used "black" ads that not only tanked the congressional race, but every local DFL race. How are you going to stay positive and handle negative ads? How are you going to be a bonus to the other DFL races?



Outside campaign manager (0.00 / 0)
I don't know anything about Dana other than what I've read here, but in terms of managers who outside the state and/or outside the candidate's inner circle, Al Franken brought in Stephanie Schriock from out of state. He started with people who had been Team Franken when he worked on his books and then his radio show, but reaching outside the inner circle served him well. Besides, it's common for campaign managers to move around the country. While I've never been a candidate or more than someone knocking doors during campaign season, I think the outside perspective often helps. At a minimum, Tinklenberg is showing a willingness to try something different. It's actually Reed who makes me uncomfortable since she was Peter Hutchinson's running mate and they split the non-Republican vote enough to give Pawlenty another term.

Though Dana, I have to agree with something Grace said about the DCCC. I dread seeing their ads, because they seem to always be lousy attack ads that damage the Democrat they're supposed to help. If they can't run positive ads about the candidate, maybe they should just hand over the cash and let the campaigns handle the advertising.


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DCCC Ads (0.00 / 0)
Legally, we will not be able to have any knowledge of or input in to the ads run by the DCCC.  There has to be a Chinese Wall between their independent expenditure operation and our campaign.  So we have no control over their ads.  And the DCCC is limited in the amount of money than can directly give the campaign.  Through what's called 441 authority, they can give approximately $82,000 directly or in-kind, and that's it.  

As for the quality, the last two campaigns I've done they did independent expenditure ads.  In 2006 they were, eh, OK I guess, but nothing special. But in 2008, their ads were outstanding.  So it can be a mixed bag, but I've seen some of their stuff that was great.  


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Other Campaigns (0.00 / 0)
Some campaigns have made public requests to run positive campaigns that independent organizations sometimes honor. A negative campaign polarizes people. When we are behind, we cannot afford to offend people that we are trying to persuade. Wellstone was good at handling negative attacks in a positive way, that left warm feelings.

I doorknocked several times in Blaine and Forest Lake. The way of speaking and courtesy is different. The norms are different. Coming from a very similar background, I did well. However reports of other doorknockers were not as positive. So in this area, the perception of "outsider" matters.

The social networks are different. The non-traditional churches have great sway. Totally false rumors can be planted and cultivated out of the public eye. So knowing important insiders is necessary.

The papers are not friendly to DFLers. Some local candidates have worked out a relationship that at least allows neutrality.

The young people are bored, bored, bored. So if you could tap into that group with music and parties, that would be the best approach.

My experience of the area, is that they like strong authentic candidates, moderate mush speaking is the least persuasive. Courtesy and courage matters. A "Prove It" campaign might work. There is substantial fake knowledge like immigrants and malpractice insurance is the cause of rising health care costs.  

FDR is still an important name here, so quoting FDR could work well.

Doorknocking worked really well early on, and became almost impossible later in the campaigns.

The email chain letters are huge here, I get sent some of them.

There you have the benefit of many hours of research, if you want more details call,  


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Grace, (0.00 / 0)

Progressives would support Tinklenberg or Reed or Clark because we need to beat Bachmann.

I supported Tinklenberg last election after he was endorsed. And I'll support him or any other candidate this election after they are endorsed and running against Bachmann.

I'm giving Dana a hard time here because I think this one issue on endorsement is a bad choice. I think it was bad for Tinklenberg and the chances of beating Bachmann. It's just my opinion.  I think it was played too early and I think it will distract delegates from the many other issues yet to be discussed.

I hope they re-think on this issue.
Anybody who runs is putting a lot on the line. I respect and admire all three candidates and will pledge my support to the winner of the endorsement.


Blue Dog Republicans (0.00 / 0)
To some of us Progressives in the 6th, a Blue Dog is singularly unappealing. In my opinion, we might as well elect a Republican because for the life of me, I can't tell the difference. I mean this sincerely.

The MSM is covering the Blue Dog health care debacle extensively.  Kip Sullivan (single payor activist) has published an article getting nation-wide attention that demonstrates the "public option" will essentially cover not one person in the Senate and maybe 10 million in the House version of the bill. It's a farce. We need a single payor option. Given 47 million Americans without health insurance + about the same underinsured, the Blue Dog coalition stalling the bills is becomming more and more apparent to Americans who have a right to healthcare. That will make future elections interesting to say the least.

Couple that with the fact that they, Blue Dogs, are "fiscal conservatives" who support corporate goals, insane war spending, are generally pro-life (read that anti-women's rights- subline: Tink would not commit one way or the other, red flag, pal, red flag, Subsub-line-Reed won't commit either) and gave us reduced Constitutional rights via the Patriot and Military Commissions Acts and most importantly, the Iraq war, who wants another one, whether it's Reed or Tinklenberg? Do you really think you can wave that away and deny he was endorsed?

I'll give you a hint, however, Mr Houle, the medical community is rallying behind Reed. They think that Tink had his turn, didn't succeed and needs to step aside. It's going to be an interesting race. Me, however, would love to see Clark the endorsed candidate. I don't want to stand behind a candidate and later find out that they do not represent issues important and vital to me. I'm sick and tired of two faced candidates who only care about being elected and later reaping the lobbyist megabucks lottery.  


El's Not Joining Any Caucus... (0.00 / 0)
...except the Democratic caucus.  So "Blue Dog" discussions are irrelevant.

As for having "had a turn," if you or anyone else wants a candidate who hasn't lost a race, you'll need to dig up someone new.  Maureen Reed lost in 2006 when she ran on the IP ticket against the DFL ticket for governor, and Tarryl Clark took three times to win her Senate seat (in which El beat Bachmann by 13 points in 2008, only 1 point less than Clark's margin when she ran as an incumbent in 2006).  

On choice, El's on the record as being personally pro-life, but he does not think Roe v Wade should be overturned, and that the way to have fewer abortions is to have fewer unwanted pregnancies.  I don't know where the other candidates are on the issue, but maybe you or someone else can clarify things for us.  

And he's also in favor of the public option for health care.  Where anyone else is on that matter, I can't say, but again, I'd be happy if you have any information on the matter that you can share.  


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Blue Dog endorsements do matter (0.00 / 0)
The so called "public option" is a dismal failure. It's for show and won't insure virtually anyone when it's in final form if it ever gets there. See this article as an example: Kip Sullivan Bait and Switch- How the "Public Option" Was Sold
Monday 20 July 2009
by: Kip Sullivan  |  

http://www.pnhp.org/blog/2009/...

Progressives who want healthcare for all need to reframe the discussion.

I also disagree that the Blue Dog discussions are irrelevant. They endorsed him. He is a conservative. Blue Dogs stand for things that I can't and won't. El is not progressive. The fact that he is personally pro-life will flavor how he votes and as a woman who is very concerned about women's rights, this concerns me. The same goes for Dr. Reed. Just because one doesn't want Roe overturned doesn't mean that he wouldn't vote to clip women's rights in other ways. We'd be naive to think otherwise.

He's also got baggage regarding the I35W bridge collapse. We want Bachmann beat, not in office again.  


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He Stands With the President..,. (0.00 / 0)
...and roughly 70% of Americans in support of the public option.  That's a mainstream position, and one that will also be supported by the general election voters of the 6th district.  Since you want Bachmann beat, I'm sure you recognize that to do that, a candidate will have to gain the trust of the voters of the sixth district.  El can do that.  

But if you believe the public option is a failure and that's how you'll determine your support for a candidate in this race, I respect that, and will respect your decision to support whoever may enter the race who is in favor of single payer, should anyone running in this district actually come out in support of single payer.  


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I think you are seeing some of differences (0.00 / 0)
Courage matters. And previously wussy positions do not appeal to anyone. So a person who looks like more of the same, not only will not attract more voters, they will also lose the activists who think "Why bother?".

Franken's campaign was run by an outsider and it did turn off many people, in ways that could have been avoided. So any citation of the Franken campaign as a success is misleading in that way.  


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public option and single payor are different (0.00 / 0)
To be clear: public option and single payor are very different. Again, the public option that is currently under discussion will insure very few, if any, Americans. A single payor option which would be similar to Medicare would be fantastic and much the better plan than any involved with insurance companies. We must remember that the public option includes insurance co's which have a 33-35% overhead vs a much smaller 2-3% such as medicare. When more progressives, independents and uninsured Repubicans understand the plan in Congress, they will be turned off. I'm beyond talking points and candidates who can say "on the record" that they tried, it's time to get the work done.

Beyond choosing a candidate, I will look at many platform points, I am not a single issue voter, however, Elwyn is not attractive to me because of his conservatism, it's simply more of the same, why would voters change? If El follows Blue Dog voting, he'll vote virtually the same as Michele. Can you promise us that he won't join the Blue Dog caucus if he's elected???  


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How Many Times Must I? (0.00 / 0)
>Can you promise us that he won't join the Blue Dog caucus if he's elected???   <

I've already said several times he won't.  


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The amazing thing here, is.... (0.00 / 0)
...I'm more likely to actually end up having a conversation with Dana, than El.

Say, Dana?   Count me in, for drinks.

I've been in a room with El, many times.  Never had a conversation, though.  Maybe it's 'cause I don't wear a suit.

Hey, Dana?  For drinks, I'll be the guy not wearing a suit.  


"Those that forget the lessons of history, tend to vote GOP"


Engagement is nice (0.00 / 0)
I appreciate the engagement from El's campaign manager.

I also appreciate Dana clearly stating that El will not join the Blue Dogs, and that he supports the public option. Policies are good. Not being a Blue Dog is good. If I and others are going to bust our but for a candidate--as Dana has boldly said he will be doing--I want that person to be somebody who will fight for the things I care about. I am sorely, sorely disappointed in the "moderate" Democrats who are completely undermining everything we fought for in 2006 and 2008. The problem with being a "moderate" is when the Republicans keep going farther and farther to the right, splitting the difference means falling farther and farther to the right as well.

Anyhow, I'm glad to hear a couple policy statements, and I want to hear more. I know it's early, but it's disappointing not to see any policy positions posted on either El or Maureen's site.

I was at a meeting with Maureen recently, and she seems like a nice enough person. She talked a lot about wanting to fix healthcare, and I believe she does want to. But trying to pin her down on any actual policy positions was nearly impossible. There were a lot of people frustrated when she couldn't answer whether or not she supported the Employee Free Choice Act, and that she needed to learn more: apparently she had given the same answer to others a few months ago, and it's disappointing to learn she hasn't learned enough to state her position in that time. She said that she wanted to be honest in saying when she doesn't know enough about an issue yet to state a position, but I get the impression that on all of these issues, she is trying to calculate the politically acceptable policy position that will strike some mythical middle ground that will allow her to win in the 6th. While I understand the instinct, I'm a bit sick of it. I think progressives do well when they speak from the heart, take a clear stance and fight for it. Maybe that's being unfair to her: I welcome her having the chance to prove otherwise.

However, what I found the most frustrating was her giving the answer of "Plan A is to seek the endorsement, and plan B is to make plan A work." Believe me, we tried to get her to state what she would do not only about the primary, but if she lost the DFL primary but got on the IP ticket for the general. It was very disconcerting to have her clearly evade the answer to that question.

One quick thought along those lines: let's say she gets endorsed by the IP and not the DFL, and that Bob Anderson also files for the IP primary. Can she run in the primary for both the DFL and the IP? I would imagine that would be challenging, even if it were legal, since people could only vote for the DFL or the IP in the primary.

In any case, she seemed like a nice person, and I'm willing to give her and her campaign a chance to get their sea legs.  But that window will only be open for so long.

(And I'm still a bit miffed that she ran with Peter Hutchinson and helped to ensure Pawlenty's re-election. I would hope she would have learned from that. She is from Bachmann's district and seems to really want to defeat her: I would hope she would not run in the general on the IP ticket, which would have a strong chance of allowing Bachmann to get re-elected.)

As for El, I was at the convention in 2006 and grew more impressed with El after hearing his concession speech. In 2008, I thought he had improved quite a bit as a candidate. Now that he has better campaign staff this time, perhaps he could go that extra distance: he doesn't have that far to go. The fundraising results were disappointing for the second quarter. It was also frustrating to have him say after he lost in '08 (on Election Night) that he wouldn't run again in '10: I'm sure that video will be played over and over if he makes it to the general. I also didn't really fathom him giving away half his war chest to the DCCC early in '09, particularly now that he is running again. I have to admit, that it looks like DCCC is showing him a bit of favortism now, and I'd hate to think it was because of that big donation.

I like Tarryl Clark quite a bit: she's good at articulating the DFL position, she's an engaging speaker, and I think she'd be a good campaigner. If she's more willing than El to speak out on behalf of progressive values, supporting her will be quite tempting.

I don't know how this is all going to shake out. I don't know that there's a way to overcome the Bob Anderson problem, except to have a great message, get it out, and work very, very hard. I am concerned that Maureen Reed is going to work for the DFL endorsement, and if she doesn't get it, and she does get the IP endorsement, and if she doesn't win the DFL primary, that somehow she will end up on the general election ballot for the IP, and that this will make things far more difficult, as there may be some DFLers disappointed with the endorsement and the primary who would support her. And that would make it quite difficult to win.

But I don't like the idea of supporting Maureen simply because of that. Particularly when I don't know what her positions on issues are. And I'm not sure I like the idea of opposing her because of that, because opposing her for the endorsement doesn't eliminate the potential problem.

What I really want to see is for Issues pages to start appearing on candidate sites. I'm sick of hearing that this or that candidate "fits the district." Be a good candidate. Fight for issues that you care about. Tell us what you care about, and what plans you would support if you had the chance. Tell us what you think about the crucial issues before Congress right now. And if you can make your case better than anyone else, then there's our answer.

Because that person will have the great gift of running against a crazy person and the ability to articulate a credible alternative.

Best of luck to all.


Thanks (0.00 / 0)
I'll try to stay engaged on the blogs if I can and if it's productive.  


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Bob Anderson Factor (0.00 / 0)
I think you underestimate the conservative nature of the 6th district. I know people don't take me seriously because I don't believe in spending 2-3 million dollars of other peoples money on a 2 year term. We are trying to cover health care and jobs for everyone and I don't think voters are going to appreciate millions being spent on an election. I learned allot last time around and I look forward to seeing how this race shapes up. I don't think you should ever underestimate the potential of a right leaning average working class guy, with easy name recognition. I know the issues and why it is difficult for a Democrat in this district. I am glad that so far I am the only candidate ,if I decide to run ,who is seeking the IP endorsement as my first and only choice. I enjoy the discussion and look forward to future updates.  


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