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Tax the Rich: Popular and Workable

by: Grace Kelly

Wed May 13, 2009 at 01:44:03 AM CDT


"Tax the rich" is popular at a 67% overall rating in  Star Tribune Poll. From all of the options, both cutting the budget and raising revenue had the highest approval, at 50%. So the DFL plan is the most popular with Minnesota, according to this poll.

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(Star Tribune, highlighting added by me)

If the richest 10% of Minnesota's population paid the same overall tax rate as the poorest 10% of Minnesota, what would that gain us in budget?  Well, lets do the numbers.  

Grace Kelly :: Tax the Rich: Popular and Workable

(The tax incidence study, selected information displayed)

Based on this table from Minnesota tax incidence study using the 2011 estimated numbers (no 2008 numbers available), we can calculate the increased tax income, if the richest 10% paid the same overall tax rate as the poorest 10%,

Subtract the tenth decile (10.1%) from the first decile (22.1%) for 12% or .012 as a multiplying number. Oops, that is .12 not 012, other numbers fixed.

Note the tenth decile makes 79,700,616 in thousands of dollars which rounds to 80 billion.

Multiply .12 by 80 billion to get 9.6 billion in additional taxes in one year.

Minnesota is facing a projected budget deficit of more than $4.8 billion  over the next two and a half years. To get to that comparison, we need to multiply .96 a year by 2.5 years which gives a comparison amount of 24 billion.

So if the richest ten percent paid the same overall tax rate as the poorest ten percent, then five times (24 of 4.8 billion) the budget deficit would be covered, so we could even balance the budget will a lesser increase, to decrease sticker shock!

So what if we had the richest ten percent just pay what the average Minnesota pays, 11.4%.

(.114 -.101)tax rate difference X 80 billion $ a year X 2.5 years in this budget = 2.6 billion

So if the richest ten percent paid the same overall tax rate as all of the rest of us, then half (2.6 of 4.8 billion) of the budget deficit would be covered.  And taxing the rich for even half the budget deficit seems very consistent with Star Tribune poll results!

So then why isn't Republican Governor Pawlenty doing this popular move? Could it be because Pawlenty is looking to please the national GOP for a presidential nomination?

Wait, wait, not only has Republican Pawlenty opposed having the richest pay the same overall Minnesota rate as the poorest, but under Governor Pawlenty the rich pay even less while the poor pay even more.


( From the Minnesota 2009 tax incidence study with Pink Pawlenty years' highlights added and yellow highlights for comparisons added)

As you can see from this Minnesota study, that overall tax rate for the poorest ten percent of the population increased from 18.2% to 22.1%, while overall tax rate for the richest ten percent of the population decreased from 9.0% to 8.8%, during Pawlenty's administration. And for the average Minnesotan the overall tax rate increased from 11.3% to 11.4%. That is why Pawlenty is nicknamed Pawlenty Robbing Hood, for taking more taxes from the poor, while giving more tax breaks to the rich.

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Steal from the Poor, Give to the Rich

Now, you know that Republicans will complain about redistribution of wealth if we tax the richest the same as the poorest in Minnesota taxes. However, it has been the Republicans all along who have been redistributing the wealth by making the rich, even more richer!

The top 1% richest improved in wealth by 256% percent over the past 25 years.

So the DFL budget solution of budget cuts combined with "tax the rich" fourth tier income taxes is popular, workable, fair and fiscally responsible.  

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Wealth gap (0.00 / 0)
A 200 times multiplier in the wealth gap is actually healthy for capitalism, but conservatives so a 200 times wealth gap as socialism. They like this 900 times multiplier we have now. Good stuff.




Greater the Gap (0.00 / 0)
Yes, the greater the gap the worst society gets, however that is a topic for another article if not a book.

[ Parent ]
This may be hubris on my part, (0.00 / 0)
but maybe this is what you were referring to when you replied to my comment late Tuesday (though you must have had it in the works before).  Great job.
There already is at least one great book about how societies suffer when government moves to increase the wealth gap:  Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine.'

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Yes, you are correct (0.00 / 0)
I was gathering evidence, however your comment did make me feel that now was the time to write it. All the writers on this blog are working for goodwill, not money. We are trying to tell the true news that normal mainstream media is not reporting.

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'Trying', hell; (0.00 / 0)
you're succeeding. All of you.  Easily my preferred progressive blog, despite hordes of quality entrants.  And given recent, and current, political trends, you must be doing something right.

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Thank you so very much (0.00 / 0)
You make all of the nights working past midnight worthwhile!

[ Parent ]
Alec, if you have a minute, (0.00 / 0)
can you indicate where you got that graph?  My monitor isn't high-def enough, and it's the best I've seen on the topic.

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Dan, found it.... (0.00 / 0)
by doing a google image search of "wealth gap plutocracy"

Within an article on health care at This Site

And that article sited the Nation Magazine article called "Meet the Wealth Gap"

Source: Thompson, G. Meet the wealth gap. The Nation 14 (12): July 1-15, 2008)


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sited should be "cited" hate when I do that. (0.00 / 0)


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Your link was perfect; (0.00 / 0)
thank you.

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I'm not a math guy (0.00 / 0)
But the way I read the study is that the top decile pays 10% while the rest are paying 12%.  So if we make the top decile pay the same percentage, don't we increase their taxes by 2 percent?  It seems to me that you're increasing their taxes by 12% (.12) or 11% (.11) which not surprisingly generates a whole lot of money.

The tax bills makeing their way through the legislature add a new tax bracket, but they don't seem to generate even enough to cover half of the deficit.

Every time I look at the tax incidence study I'm amazed at how much money that top decile pays.  Without those people it seems like we'd cease to exist.


Yes, you are correct about money concentration (0.00 / 0)
Almost all the money and all the wealth is now held by a small percentage of the population. What does that do to liberty? Do you want to live on trickle down crumbs?

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What about the math part? (0.00 / 0)
Does it take a 12% or 2% increase in the tax rate to get the 24 billion extra dollars?

Not sure what wealth has to do with liberty.

If my choice is trickle down or just taking the money I'll take door #3--print some more!  (Actually I'd take the trickle down)


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Rich Pay LESS on a Dollar Earned (0.00 / 0)
For the richest 10% of our Minnesota population to pay the same overall percentage that the poorest 10% of our population pays, then you would have to raise 12%. However, if you just had the richest 10% pay the same rate that the average Minnesotan pays, that would still require an increase of 1.3% increase which would cover half of the budget deficit.

So the real question is it fair the rich pay less overall Minnesota taxes on a dollar earned than the average Minnesotan?  


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Thank you! (0.00 / 0)
I had a feeling that the 24 billion figure was a tad off.  Again, not being a math guy, do you think that both the folks making $140,000 and the ones making $1,4000,000 are both paying at the 10% rate?  My guess is that the very top earners (1%) skew the results for the whole decile.  If we add another tax tier, it might make more sense to start it at above $500,000 or something along that line.  

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